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Jane Leavy on the Future of Baseball and Why Change Starts at the Top
Join Michael and bestselling author Jane Leavy for Part 2 of their conversation as they unpack what broke baseball and the bold ideas needed to bring it back.
A Candid Look at What’s Broken in Baseball with Jane Leavy
In Part 1 of this special conversation, Michael Zeldin talks with bestselling author Jane Leavy about what baseball’s evolution can teach communications leaders about storytelling, audience connection, and rebuilding trust.
DeMaurice Smith Shares Leadership Lessons From The NFL Ecosystem
In part two of our conversation with DeMaurice Smith, we dive into the inner workings of the NFL ecosystem and explore the leadership challenges and lessons he carried from the players’ union to the classroom.
DeMaurice Smith on Leadership Lessons from the NFL to the Classroom
DeMaurice Smith joins Michael Zeldin on That Said to share leadership lessons from his new book Turf Wars, drawing on his 14 years as head of the NFL Players Association and his career in law and public service.
From Oil Spills to TikTok Crises CommPRO Marks 15 Years of Transformation
CommPRO celebrates 15 years by reflecting on the PR challenges of 2010 and the bold opportunities shaping communications today.
Journalist Kevin Sack on the Legacy of Mother Emanuel
Join Michael Zeldin as he sits down with acclaimed journalist and three-time Pulitzer Prize winner Kevin Sack to discuss his powerful new book, Mother Emanuel: Two Centuries of Race, Resistance, and Forgiveness in One Charleston Church
Alan Dershowitz on Preserving Liberty in an Age of Fear
In the latest That Said episode, host Michael Zeldin talks with legal scholar Alan Dershowitz about his new book, The Preventive State, and the balance between liberty and security in an era shaped by AI, terrorism, and misinformation.
Freedom, Trust and the Power of Communication in a Changing America
Discover how the communications industry is embracing freedom, responsibility, and purpose in a rapidly changing media landscape.
A Conversation with Rossana D’Antonio on Grief, Accountability, and Airline Safety
Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with Rossana D’Antonio about the personal tragedy that inspired her book 26 Seconds and her fight to improve airline safety and accountability.
Lessons for Communicators on Living a Fuller Life
Join Michael in the latest episode of That Said as he explores what makes for a good life in conversation with Shigehiro Oishi, a leading expert on happiness, meaning, and culture.
Reflecting on Democracy with Heather Cox Richardson
In this episode of That Said, join Michael Zeldin and historian Heather Cox Richardson as they explore how American democracy has evolved—and what’s at stake—since the release of her groundbreaking book, Democracy Awakening.
Heather Cox Richardson Warns America Is Running Out of Time to Save Democracy
Historian Heather Cox Richardson issues a stark warning in a riveting new interview: American democracy is being hollowed out from within—and we may be down to our final moments to act.
Jeffrey Toobin on Presidential Pardons Power Politics and the Legacy of Mercy
In this episode of That Said with Michael Zeldin, bestselling author and legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin explores the controversial power of presidential pardons through the lens of his new book, The Pardon: The Politics of Presidential Mercy. From Nixon to Trump, Toobin examines how pardons reveal the inner workings of the presidency—and the political calculations behind mercy.
Melissa Ludtke and the Fight for Equal Access in Sports Journalism
In this episode of That Said, Michael Zeldin interviews Melissa Ludtke about her new book Locker Room Talk and her pioneering fight for equal access to Major League Baseball locker rooms as a woman sports reporter.
A Conversation with Don Lemon
Join Michael Zeldin and Don Lemon for a thought-provoking conversation on the evolving role of media in shaping public discourse and democracy.
Messaging for Change with Juan Williams as America Rewrites Its Civil Rights Narrative
Join Michael Zeldin and Juan Williams as they explore America's civil rights story and share practical tips for crafting messages that inspire action, proving that effective communication—whether shaping public opinion or working behind the scenes—can drive change in today’s fast-paced world.
Mastering the Art of Meaningful Conversations with Charles Duhigg
Join Michael on That Said as he speaks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Charles Duhigg about the science and strategy of effective communication, exploring how to master practical, emotional, and social conversations.
Professor Eddie Glaude, Jr. Discusses America at a Crossroads
Join Michael Zeldon on this MLK/inauguration day show where we will be speaking with Eddie Glaude, Jr. to discuss the crossroads at which America finds itself and his prescription for action.
Corey duBrowa on the History and Top Picks of the Extended Play Record
Join Michael Zeldin as he chats with Corey duBrowa, global CEO of Burson, about his book An Ideal For Living, which explores the history, cultural impact, and top picks of the extended play record.
Kirsten Powers On Grace and Coexistence
Join Michael Zeldin on That Said for a compelling conversation with Kirsten Powers as she shares insights from her book Saving Grace, exploring how to navigate challenging times with truth, grace, and coexistence.

