Join Michael and bestselling author Jane Leavy for Part 2 of their conversation as they unpack what broke baseball and the bold ideas needed to bring it back.

In Part 1 of this special conversation, Michael Zeldin talks with bestselling author Jane Leavy about what baseball’s evolution can teach communications leaders about storytelling, audience connection, and rebuilding trust.

In part two of our conversation with DeMaurice Smith, we dive into the inner workings of the NFL ecosystem and explore the leadership challenges and lessons he carried from the players’ union to the classroom.

DeMaurice Smith joins Michael Zeldin on That Said to share leadership lessons from his new book Turf Wars, drawing on his 14 years as head of the NFL Players Association and his career in law and public service.

Join Michael Zeldin as he sits down with acclaimed journalist and three-time Pulitzer Prize winner Kevin Sack to discuss his powerful new book, Mother Emanuel: Two Centuries of Race, Resistance, and Forgiveness in One Charleston Church

In the latest That Said episode, host Michael Zeldin talks with legal scholar Alan Dershowitz about his new book, The Preventive State, and the balance between liberty and security in an era shaped by AI, terrorism, and misinformation.

Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with Rossana D’Antonio about the personal tragedy that inspired her book 26 Seconds and her fight to improve airline safety and accountability.

Join Michael in the latest episode of That Said as he explores what makes for a good life in conversation with Shigehiro Oishi, a leading expert on happiness, meaning, and culture.

In this episode of That Said, join Michael Zeldin and historian Heather Cox Richardson as they explore how American democracy has evolved—and what’s at stake—since the release of her groundbreaking book, Democracy Awakening.

In this episode of That Said with Michael Zeldin, bestselling author and legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin explores the controversial power of presidential pardons through the lens of his new book, The Pardon: The Politics of Presidential Mercy. From Nixon to Trump, Toobin examines how pardons reveal the inner workings of the presidency—and the political calculations behind mercy.

In this episode of That Said, Michael Zeldin interviews Melissa Ludtke about her new book Locker Room Talk and her pioneering fight for equal access to Major League Baseball locker rooms as a woman sports reporter.

Join Michael Zeldin and Don Lemon for a thought-provoking conversation on the evolving role of media in shaping public discourse and democracy.

Join Michael Zeldin and Juan Williams as they explore America's civil rights story and share practical tips for crafting messages that inspire action, proving that effective communication—whether shaping public opinion or working behind the scenes—can drive change in today’s fast-paced world.

Join Michael on That Said as he speaks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Charles Duhigg about the science and strategy of effective communication, exploring how to master practical, emotional, and social conversations.

Join Michael Zeldon on this MLK/inauguration day show where we will be speaking with Eddie Glaude, Jr. to discuss the crossroads at which America finds itself and his prescription for action.

Join Michael Zeldin as he chats with Corey duBrowa, global CEO of Burson, about his book An Ideal For Living, which explores the history, cultural impact, and top picks of the extended play record.

Join Michael Zeldin on That Said for a compelling conversation with Kirsten Powers as she shares insights from her book Saving Grace, exploring how to navigate challenging times with truth, grace, and coexistence.

Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with renowned historian Douglas Brinkley for a compelling conversation about the pivotal crossroads shaping the future of the United States and the world.

Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with Ronald Collins about the shocking truths and systemic injustices of the 1955 Emmett Till murder trial.

Join Michael on That Said as he sits down with Wright Thompson to explore the untold truths and haunting legacy of Emmett Till's murder, revealed in Wright's groundbreaking book, The Barn, The Secret History of a Murder in Mississippi.

Join Michael as he dives into Thomas Fuller's powerful story of a deaf high school football team’s rise to champions and the heart that captured a nation.

Join Michael in his conversation with CNN’s Dana Bash about her important new book telling the story of the 1872 Louisiana Governor’s race and the lessons it holds for the present.

Join Michael in his conversation with John Della Volpe about his book as well as the results of his September 2024 Harvard Youth Poll.

Join Michael in his conversation with Mary Louise Kelly about the dual pressures that attend to the work and life balance in an honest, funny, revelatory, and immensely relatable way.

Join Michael in his conversation with Larry Weber about his new book, A New Age of Reason: Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good which posits that we are in the midst of a new wave of technology—one that’s ushering our world to an entirely new era for the good.

Join Michael for his conversation with MSNBC host and journalist Ali Velshi as they explore his latest book, Small Acts of Courage: A Legacy of Endurance and the Fight for Democracy.

Join Michael as he sits down with bestselling author and American financier David M. Rubenstein to discuss his latest book, The Highest Calling: Conversations on the American Presidency.

Join host Michael Zeldin in his conversation with Pulitzer Prize-winning author and historian Anne Applebaum about her new book, Autocracy, Inc.

This Labor Day weekend,That Said revisits an intriguing conversation with Michael Finkel about his bookThe Art Thief.

Join Michael in his discussion with David Gergen about his book, Hearts Touched with Fire, How Great Leaders are Made as they explore the fundamental attributes necessary to become a leader and the key leadership lessons David has stockpiled from his half-century of public service.