A Conversation with Hawa Allan Author, ‘Insurrection: Rebellion, Civil Rights, and the Paradoxical State of Black Citizenship’



Join Michael in his discussion with Hawa Allan as they discuss her new book, Insurrection: Rebellion, Civil Rights, and the Paradoxical State of Black Citizenship which examines the paradoxical history and application of the 1807 Insurrection Act from its original intended use to attack the Klu Klux Klan, and desegregate southern schools in the aftermath of Brown v. The Board of Education to its more recent use against Black Live Matter protestors.


Hawa Allan

Hawa Allan is an attorney and author whose work has appeared in the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Review of Books, Lapham’s Quarterly, and the Baffler, among other publications. She lives and works in New York City.





Michael Zeldin

Michael Zeldin is a well-known and highly-regarded TV and radio analyst/commentator.

He has covered many high-profile matters, including the Clinton impeachment proceedings, the Gore v. Bush court challenges, Special Counsel Robert Muller’s investigation of interference in the 2016 presidential election, and the Trump impeachment proceedings.

In 2019, Michael was a Resident Fellow at the Institute of Politics at the Harvard Kennedy School, where he taught a study group on Independent Investigations of Presidents.

Previously, Michael was a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice. He also served as Deputy Independent/ Independent Counsel, investigating allegations of tampering with presidential candidate Bill Clinton’s passport files, and as Deputy Chief Counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives, Foreign Affairs Committee, October Surprise Task Force, investigating the handling of the American hostage situation in Iran.

Michael is a prolific writer and has published Op-ed pieces for CNN.com, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Hill, The Washington Times, and The Washington Post.

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